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I recently commented in [livejournal.com profile] loba's journal that I just finished reading the book "French Women Don't Get Fat," and while I don't agree with every detail of what the author said, I think she's right that, in general, Europeans have a healthier attitude toward food.

French women eat real, dark chocolate, real bread with real butter, coffee with real cream. In small amounts and a few times a week. American women feast on nutrasweet-filled low-fat over-processed crap, or alternate between bingeing and starving.

French women walk three times more in a given day than American women, on average.

French women NEVER talk about dieting at parties and while they may watch portions, they rarely count calories. American women gab on their breaks and at parties about how much they've lost or how they're "bad" because they've gone off the diet, and obsess about how many calories are in each thing they eat.

(yes, these are generalizations and I realize it's not true of all French women or all American women)

I really think that obsessing in a negative way about food, restricting calorie intake so that you feel deprived, thinking about food and about your eating habits in black and white "good/bad" terminology has done more to contribute to weight gain in America than any other phenemenon.

Here's an article that's a little old, but good. Lots of good links to other articles about weight and obesity in the sidebars, too.

http://www.techcentralstation.com/071803B.html

excerpt:

But as dieting has become increasingly more widespread in America, body weights have increased, the January/February 1999 issue of Healthy Weight Journal, after an extensive examination of the evidence surrounding dieting, reported.

In fact, dieting is a predictor of fatness. Among girls who diet their risk for obesity is 3.24 times greater than for nondieters. Dieting among adults is similarly associated with an increased risk of long-term weight gain, according to studies by Allison Daee, R.D., and colleagues at the University of Missouri.

Date: 2005-09-30 09:30 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pstscrpt.livejournal.com
In fact, dieting is a predictor of fatness.
But a perception of fatness causes dieting, and I don't think you can deny there's at least some connection with the perception and the reality.

Date: 2005-09-30 09:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahmichigan.livejournal.com
I thought I knew what you were saying, and then I wasn't sure.

Are you saying, "Well, sure, fat people diet, so it's obvious that people who diet are more likely to be fat?"

If that's what you're saying, I don't think it's universally true. If you mean, "People *think* they're fat (even if they're) not, and then they diet, and that leads to them getting fatter, not thinner," then I think that's true.

Care to expand/clarify?

Date: 2005-09-30 10:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pstscrpt.livejournal.com
People who think they're fat diet. Quite a few people who think they're fat are correct.

Yes, dieting may frequently make it worse, but I wasn't getting into that.

Date: 2005-09-30 10:18 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sarahmichigan.livejournal.com
OK, fine, but many girls start dieting at young ages, and that is a predictor for being overweight when they're adult, regardless of whether they actually *were* fat to begin with.

And regardless of all of that, yo-yo dieting almost always makes you fatter in the long run, not thinner. Even the NIH's own study found that the majority of dieters put the weight all back on within 5 years.

Date: 2005-09-30 11:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] styggie.livejournal.com
another point
The french take thier time to eat a meal. They get 90minutes or 2hrs for lunch. They sit down to eat. They chew thier food. They enjoy the flavours. Due to this they feel satiated with a "normal" portioned meal.

When you eat on the run, you gobble down whatever you have then feel hungry later or want more because you havent given you gas.tract the full experience, it confuses it.

Date: 2005-09-30 01:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] flyinglemurs.livejournal.com
The other day I was out w friends and ordered this lovely spinach artichole dip for the table. It is a breadbowl full of decadent dip. But everyone loves it and we had some 8 or so people at the table so all and all per person it wasn't much. But one of my thin friends kept going on and on about the calories in it and how bad it was etc etc. She had some too but its like she's got to beat it and herself up first. I nearly snapped stop it and let me enjoy my 3 pieces of this lovely thing.

She's also pretty much gorgeous but more jennifer lopez than whatserfacefromalleymcbeal and was carring on how "disgusting" she was. For having gained a few lbs I guess. There is no persuading her to stop so I've give up but darn its frustrating sometimes.

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